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Title: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalMike on September 05, 2017, 08:13:58 pm
The Metal Crypt is due for some updates and we would like to know what you, the readers, would like to see in terms of look, functionality, etc. We are open to all suggestions but keep in mind not everything that would be nice will be practical while easy changes may not make sense. All suggestions will be considered (some longer than others  :naughty:) so let us know what you want to see. Finally, don't waste our time or yours asking for things that don't belong here. We aren't going to review Black Veil Brides or interview Slipknot. There are other places on line for that crap that are a google search away.

Help us make the BEST site on line for REAL Heavy Metal even better  :cheers:
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: Luxi on September 06, 2017, 12:05:11 pm
What the Crypt doesn't have, is a section for live concert reviews... Would people be interested in reading them perhaps?

What about a section that would introduce a demo band of the month?
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalCrypt on September 06, 2017, 06:39:03 pm
I hate live concert reviews. We have a few but I find they're rarely worth it. It's the section I always skip in Terrorizer.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: Luxi on September 07, 2017, 02:33:03 am
I hate live concert reviews. We have a few but I find they're rarely worth it. It's the section I always skip in Terrorizer.

Ok, I understand.

How about creating a section for "Demo Band Of The Month" for the site? I mean, besides The Crypt is all about supporting REAL Heavy Metal/Rock bands, it's also all about supporting those REAL underground Metal bands that are hardly known but would deserve much more attention among people around the world.

New bands do need whatever stepping stones to make themselves more known for metal fans - and I think this idea might give them some more exposure for sure.   
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalCrypt on September 07, 2017, 05:43:10 am
Ah yes, I forgot to mention that I like the idea of the demo band. As long as we can keep it up (i.e. getting reviewers to do it once a month).

To be clear on the live reviews, I just think that, unlike albums or DVDs for example, they're too "localized" and really don't say much. A band can put on a great show one night and suck the next for any number of reasons. I'm likely to look at a review of an album released 20 years ago, but a live show? Not really. I don't even look at reviews of live shows of bands currently touring.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalMike on September 07, 2017, 05:43:33 am
I agree that giving unsigned bands exposure can be a good thing. It is something we've used the Current Playlist thread for in the past and we now have the Unsigned Bands thread.

What would this feature look like and how would it be determined what band is featured each month? What are your ideas in those areas?
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalMike on September 07, 2017, 05:55:53 am
To be clear on the live reviews, I just think that, unlike albums or DVDs for example, they're too "localized" and really don't say much. A band can put on a great show one night and suck the next for any number of reasons. I'm likely to look at a review of an album released 20 years ago, but a live show? Not really. I don't even look at reviews of live shows of bands currently touring.

The live thing is probably better suited to the Recent Shows thread given the timing.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalMike on September 07, 2017, 06:01:08 am
UPDATE - if you tried posting (without registering) and couldn't the "reply" button should now appear at the top right. Share your suggestions  :super:
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: Luxi on September 07, 2017, 11:23:28 pm
how would it be determined what band is featured each month? What are your ideas in those areas?

Reviewers could review ANY demo band for this section that they think is worth getting more exposure on the site in their opinion. The only criteria for these demo bands would be they would be unsigned, plus of course play Metal.

We would submit these reviews for Michel the same way as we have done before, and he would collect them all together under one file, saying f.ex. "Demo bands of the month" or something. Michel would randomly put one demo band's review up in this particular section in question every month. It also would be a good thing if there was a link to this demo band's music (if available) so that people would have a chance to go listening to this demo band 'x' of the month right away. Also, a comment section for this might also be a good thing to add, right under the actual review of band 'x' because I believe at least some people also might want to leave their comments for this demo band 'x' (if it just can be done easily and is technically possible).
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: Sargon the Terrible on September 08, 2017, 07:51:53 pm
Eh, I am not wild about it.  The line between "Demo" and "EP" and "Self-Release" is so fluid these days.  I don't know if that would really serve much of a purpose.  Plus one per month is way too slow these days.  A month is an eternity between updates, we'd want one every week.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalMike on September 08, 2017, 08:04:02 pm
I'm not against it per se but I agree once a month is too infrequent. Personally, I think between submitting a review and posting on the Unsigned Bands thread, demos and such can be covered quite thoroughly.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: Luxi on September 09, 2017, 01:55:45 am
Eh, I am not wild about it.  The line between "Demo" and "EP" and "Self-Release" is so fluid these days.  I don't know if that would really serve much of a purpose.  Plus one per month is way too slow these days.  A month is an eternity between updates, we'd want one every week.

It can be an EP, or demo or self-release - as long as this underground band 'x' is still without a record deal would be accepted for this section.

What I would like to this section to represent, band 'x' would be under spotlight on the pain page for some certain period of time. I agree perhaps one month feels like eternity but 2 weeks could be a pretty ideal period of time for these bands to get some extra exposure on the site. I believe we do want to support these underground bands that are worth becoming more known, don't we? And I am 100% certain these chosen few bands would definitely appreciate our efforts to give them some extra attention on the main page, no doubt.

"Demo Band Of The Month" is perhaps a bit misleading... I think it should be re-titled as "Underground Band Of The Month" or something. People with a better English vocabulary can do some brain-storming for a more fitting title...   
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: Luxi on September 09, 2017, 02:04:47 am
I would like to see other but the staff members only throwing in all kinds of suggestions though...

Hey board members... Wake up, and feel free to participate in this by dropping in any suggestions that you would want to see on this site in the future, ok?

... and for "Baby Metal" lovers, sorry, you can also find those bands from some other sites related to this "metal" genre. 
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalCrypt on September 09, 2017, 06:47:52 am
UPDATE - if you tried posting (without registering) and couldn't the "reply" button should now appear at the top right. Share your suggestions  :super:

I had to kill this. For some reason guests (in this case, spammers) were able to post on all forums for some reason.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalCrypt on September 09, 2017, 06:50:34 am
I would like to see other but the staff members only throwing in all kinds of suggestions though...

Hey board members... Wake up, and feel free to participate in this by dropping in any suggestions that you would want to see on this site in the future, ok?

... and for "Baby Metal" lovers, sorry, you can also find those bands from some other sites related to this "metal" genre.

Several people have already posted in the other thread. Maybe they just don't have much to say yet. That's why I posted Sargon's proposed layout change, to get the discussion going.

I'm not really looking to add a lot more features since they then need to be "nurtured" and risk dying from neglect over time. We have a couple of interesting suggestions, which is nice. Either way I'll write them all down and they may or may not be implemented in the future. The first order of business will be to clean the database and rewrite the existing functionality and, doing that, ensure that I can add new features in the future without it being a struggle like it is now.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: Sirliftsalot48 on September 09, 2017, 09:05:01 am
Hey board members... Wake up, and feel free to participate in this by dropping in any suggestions that you would want to see on this site in the future, ok?
I feel the same as many others about concert reviews.  I think the recent shows thread is perfect for discussion and little mini reviews of shows.

I'm not a huge fan of "demo of the week".  I like the idea of it, but I've never found demos to be something I actually enjoy.  Demos tend to simply be an indicator of potential to produce something great and almost never actually something great in itself.  A while back we did album of the week and tried to pick lesser known albums.  I really liked that and remember finding quite a few excellent bands that seemed to have fallen through the cracks.

I really like the color scheme for the forum.  It is easy to read and follow.  As Sargon mentioned, the white text on black background does make it difficult reading the longer editorials and interviews.  The recent interviews and editorials have been excellent, so if it could be a little less strain on the eyes to read them, it would be nice.

I've always liked the ease of finding things on the site and that there aren't any unnecessary pictures or icons.  I really like how the only pictures on the front page are album art and the site logo.  It keeps things very neat and organized while still being able to display a lot of easy to access content.  I think the album art could be a little larger.  I'm not sure if there's a way to scale images and headers, but the site looks a little bare on my 1440p monitor.  However, on my 768p laptop display it looks perfectly proportioned.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: ReignInBloodyGore on September 10, 2017, 12:55:13 am
I don't have much to contribute simply because other than my previously donated ideas, I get everything I need from this site.

I wanted to throw in my two cents for the unsigned release of the month idea. I think it's a great idea. I also want to say that I think one per week could get exhausting for those involved in the process of finding, nominating, and choosing an album of the week after several times.  I only feel this way because I am truly devoted to finding hidden gems among the well-known bands, and my motivation levels for seeking them out go in and out of high productivity levels. It's not that my love of metal bands is on and off, but rather it gets tiring after weeks. Therefore, I don't think one per month is too few personally.  However, once per two weeks isn't as rough to keep up with I think. I think a bi-weekly best unsigned effort could be great.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalMike on September 10, 2017, 06:14:06 am
I am working with Michel on a way to make this idea doable without adding a lot of work, at least until we see if it takes off  :super:
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: Sargon the Terrible on September 10, 2017, 01:49:56 pm
I am working with Michel on a way to make this idea doable without adding a lot of work, at least until we see if it takes off  :super:

Maybe have a separate submission channel, so bands would submit their demos to that, and we reviewers would not have to wade through our promos looking for unsigned bands to consider.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalMike on September 10, 2017, 02:17:37 pm
Maybe have a separate submission channel, so bands would submit their demos to that, and we reviewers would not have to wade through our promos looking for unsigned bands to consider.

In talking to Michel the demo/unsigned bands feature (whatever it ends up looking like) is on the list but probably won't be implemented right away. Keep the ideas coming.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalCrypt on September 11, 2017, 05:38:16 am
Right. At the moment I'm especially looking for ideas regarding the layout and presentation so that once I'm done rewriting the back-end, I'll know what to attack on the front-end. It's still important to suggest other things so the most interesting/feasible ones can be taken into account during the rewrite. Just keep in mind that the first order of business is to reimplement the existing features.

Speaking of which, I removed the Links feature a few days ago. Now there's a section that was neglected. 8)
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: PetrifiedNapkin on September 11, 2017, 11:51:17 am
I don't have much to contribute simply because other than my previously donated ideas, I get everything I need from this site.


I couldn't agree with this more.
This site is great, simple to use, and has all the information i care about. Most of the time when i come here, i just hit the home page, click on the most recent reveiw and read it.

What could be helpful, is when i click on the most recent review, there is an arrow at the top so i can hit the arrow and go to the next review. Kind of like a skip track button. Currently you have to back out and click the next one on the list.

Hope that makes sense.

The bar at the top would look like

<Previous review  - band/Album - Click here to read the next review >

{body of the review}
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalCrypt on September 11, 2017, 05:01:48 pm
That's pretty easy to go.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: Sargon the Terrible on September 11, 2017, 09:06:16 pm
Hey, yeah, that's a good idea.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: eternaljester81 on September 13, 2017, 01:58:23 pm
What would everyone think about a "quick hits" type of section. I'm thinking of something where multiple brief reviews (a couple sentences) could be posted in one article for more obscure/underground releases. This would allow even more releases to be covered, and hopefully introduce readers to bands they otherwise would miss. I've got more ideas on this, if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: metaldomdom on September 13, 2017, 09:12:09 pm
What would everyone think about a "quick hits" type of section. I'm thinking of something where multiple brief reviews (a couple sentences) could be posted in one article for more obscure/underground releases. This would allow even more releases to be covered, and hopefully introduce readers to bands they otherwise would miss. I've got more ideas on this, if anyone is interested.

I like this idea. Been coming here for 15 years, never had a problem. I don't have any big ideas (I'm really not creative lol). Probably those ideas have already been said but maybe putting more emphasis on the reviews. Bigger covers. Damn already run out of ideas lol
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalMike on September 13, 2017, 10:09:43 pm
What would everyone think about a "quick hits" type of section. I'm thinking of something where multiple brief reviews (a couple sentences) could be posted in one article for more obscure/underground releases. This would allow even more releases to be covered, and hopefully introduce readers to bands they otherwise would miss. I've got more ideas on this, if anyone is interested.

I feel like the Current Playlist thread does something like what you are talking about. Remember, any new feature has to have content created/added by someone. Unless I'm not understanding the gist of your idea...
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalCrypt on September 14, 2017, 05:54:16 am
This is similar to what I used to see in some printed fanzines. Since they printed what, maybe a couple of issues a year, theyèd have a few promos with long-ish reviews and then quick-jabs that were just a couple of sentences so they could cover more material in their limited space (and time, of course). Interestingly, some of the best reviews I've read were very short ones like that. The absolute essentials and usually very honest. You've got a couple of lines, there's no room for verbal masturbation.

One that still cracks me up to this day - many years ago in Slayer Magazine. I don't remember the album but the review was "I don't like this.". :lol. Of course they usually were longer than that.

I actually like the idea but, as MetalMike said, we need people to write them. It's not everyone who can write some meaningful in a sentence or two. Hell, I've seen reviews the length of a book (on M-A - some people there write too much to say nothing) that really didn't tell me much.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: eternaljester81 on September 14, 2017, 12:29:45 pm
I spend a lot of time on both Bandcamp and Spotify just seaking out little known releases, and would love to do something like this. It could even show up in the normal list of recent reviews, perhaps with it's own graphic in place of an album cover. Each one could be like five or so short reviews. They could be genre specific per entry, or just whatever the writer wished to include (any preferences there?). If they were to be done by genre, there could be specific graphic for each, perhaps as cover art spoof of sorts.

And when it comes to short reviews, nothing beats Sargon's review of Dream Theater's Metropolis Pt 2! "Sucks. Don't bother." It gets me every time.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalMike on September 14, 2017, 05:25:10 pm
I spend a lot of time on both Bandcamp and Spotify just seaking out little known releases, and would love to do something like this. It could even show up in the normal list of recent reviews, perhaps with it's own graphic in place of an album cover. Each one could be like five or so short reviews. They could be genre specific per entry, or just whatever the writer wished to include (any preferences there?). If they were to be done by genre, there could be specific graphic for each, perhaps as cover art spoof of sorts.

And when it comes to short reviews, nothing beats Sargon's review of Dream Theater's Metropolis Pt 2! "Sucks. Don't bother." It gets me every time.

If you're willing to take it on, that's cool. Obviously Michel is going to focus on the existing things for the site before creating anything new but in the meantime can you send me a sample of what you think it should look like? I have a thought that might fit in the existing framework we have yet still allow you to do this. Check your personal message for contact info.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalCrypt on September 25, 2017, 07:38:32 pm
Might be nice to get some ideas on layouts for:

- Reviews
- Metal Genres
- Best-of lists
- About pages

The best-of lists especially look crappy. Laziness on my part, admittedly...
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: Omni on September 28, 2017, 05:25:37 pm
*Bigger album art
*User comments
*Connectivity for related bands, like if I am reading a review for an Immortal album, the site should also recommend Abbath's solo albums
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: MetalCrypt on September 29, 2017, 06:04:27 am
*Bigger album art
*User comments
*Connectivity for related bands, like if I am reading a review for an Immortal album, the site should also recommend Abbath's solo albums

I’m going to try 250x250 (instead of 160x160) starting today (for new reviews anyway) starting today, just to see how that looks like.

For the connectivity thing, while from a technical standpoint it’s not really hard, I think it could be difficult from a manpower (personpower? :D) perspective to maintain this. Don’t know if anyone has suggestions about that aspect of the thing...?
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: PetrifiedNapkin on September 29, 2017, 12:49:51 pm
Might be nice to get some ideas on layouts for:

- Reviews
- Metal Genres
- Best-of lists
- About pages

The best-of lists especially look crappy. Laziness on my part, admittedly...

I actually like the best of lists the way they are. Super easy to navigate, quick, simple, and functional. Maybe you could add a link at the top that automatically goes to each viewers section on the list (like the metal genres page)..

Whatever you do, please don't do a slideshow like this: http://loudwire.com/top-doom-metal-albums/

I find them tedious and slow to navigate.


Metal genres - I'd have each genre broken into its own page, throw some pics in there, maybe get a little more detailed. Honestly, it looks good as is, i think the text just needs formatted a little bit better. Its kind of one big wall of text, and the "sections" don't really stand out.
Title: Re: What would YOU like to see here at The Metal Crypt?
Post by: Sargon the Terrible on October 02, 2017, 02:07:41 pm
I do like the bigger album art in the reviews.  I think it looks a lot better.